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Simon mills

Hi Sue

You may recall I addressed this issue of amateurism at the last Incubation in regard to Internet Art. I followed a line of argument originally presented by Sean Cubitt regarding photography where he talks about it becoming a pubic art:

" . . . in which the private is dissolved, as it is in any case in the surveillance society, and the intimate and unconscious are leaking into the light; a public art which is more than the artist making their work public, or building works in public spaces, or directing the work of members of the public, but rather an art by, for, in the public sphere, art by virtue not of the success with which it moves expression from sender to receiver, but by virtue of how many people it inspires to communicate, and with what breadth and depth.”

This paragraph speaks to me of blogs and open source software, collaborative writing projects and game modifications in short of grassroots communications networks.

Nicolas Bourriaud writes in his book Relational Aesthetics:

“…the role of artworks is no longer to form imaginary and utopian realities, but to actually be ways of living and models of action within the existing real, whatever the scale chosen by the artist”

What is critical or creative Internet Culture if not a precise attempt to interrogate our current way of living actually within the new spaces of communication where so much of our daily interactions take place?

In this sense internet art resists incorporation into the gallery space but has to exist alongside, or as part of, what it is investigating and subsequently, in that moment, the distinction between amateur and professional can be dissolved.

best

Simon

Simon mills

I was intersted by the definition of Napsterization: the disintermediation by new technologies and digital media of old economy, incumbent institutions and analog frameworks.

Isn't this just Convergence by another name?

Nick Hine

I was thinking about this recently in terms of the "cost" of participation. Clearly a dimension of amateur is what people produce with "home" tools. The difference between using iMovie instead of Final Cut Pro. People expressing themselves, and learning new ways to do that. I am not even sure this is necessarily radically political. It's another (and new) opportunity for communication and self expression, perhaps for personal satisfaction or perhaps to build a memory. Amateur in the sense of untrained. But certainly worthwhile and at times beautiful.

Alan Drury

I find the idea that professional writers have no passion about what they're doing because they're being paid for it insulting. I wouldn't have written over 50 plays over 35 years if I didn't care about what I was doing.

It's like saying academics don't care about their subject because it's how they earn their living.

(There's an easy, cheap jibe there, but I can't be bothered).

The distinction is not between who's being paid and who's not, but who's committed to writing and who's not. You don't get better as a writer unless you practice consistently. It's like playing the piano or football.

The give away comment is, 'I've got a really good idea for a novel, but I haven't got the time'. I've got nothing against people dabbling, (I dabble in other things myself), and very occasionally they come up with something good, but that's what they are, dabblers.

Do I feel better now? No.

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